WITAN SHRINES
For information/application form on how to start a Witan Shrine contact
the Witan Herald at witanherald@gmail.com
In addition to Temples and Proto-Temples, the Correllian Tradition recognizes three kinds of Shrine: Personal Shrines, which are a private religious expression of the Shrine Keeper by may be recognized by the Tradition: Formal Shrines, which are Chartered by the Tradition to fulfill specific functions: and Witan Shrines, which are the first stage in the Temple-making process. For more information on the different kinds of Shrine, go HERE.
Witan Shrines were originally created as a form to allow a trial period for prospective new Temples, to help them become ready to function as full Temples and to make sure that they could function within the structure of the Tradition.
Subsequently an additional step was added to the Temple making process in the form of Proto-Temples. Witan Shrines must fulfill a probationary period of a MINIMUM one year before being reviewed for Proto-Temple status. The reviews are carried out by the Templar Grand Deemstress and specially appointed boards of Deemsters in conjunction with the Tradition's Lustration ceremonies in the Spring and Fall of the year.
The first Witan Shrines in the Correllian Tradition were Chartered on 7 April Year 2 Aquarius. These were the LaVeda Witan Shrine in Australia, the Crystalline Star Witan Shrine in Ohio, US, and the Phoenix Rising Witan Shrine in Canada. Of these the Crystalline Star Witan Shrine went on to full Temple status, being thus proclaimed by the Chancellor on 30 March, Year 3 Aquarius.
Below follows a list of current Witan Shrines in the Tradition.
For information/application form on how to start a Witan Shrine contact
the Witan Herald at witanherald@gmail.com
In addition to Temples and Proto-Temples, the Correllian Tradition recognizes three kinds of Shrine: Personal Shrines, which are a private religious expression of the Shrine Keeper by may be recognized by the Tradition: Formal Shrines, which are Chartered by the Tradition to fulfill specific functions: and Witan Shrines, which are the first stage in the Temple-making process. For more information on the different kinds of Shrine, go HERE.
Witan Shrines were originally created as a form to allow a trial period for prospective new Temples, to help them become ready to function as full Temples and to make sure that they could function within the structure of the Tradition.
Subsequently an additional step was added to the Temple making process in the form of Proto-Temples. Witan Shrines must fulfill a probationary period of a MINIMUM one year before being reviewed for Proto-Temple status. The reviews are carried out by the Templar Grand Deemstress and specially appointed boards of Deemsters in conjunction with the Tradition's Lustration ceremonies in the Spring and Fall of the year.
The first Witan Shrines in the Correllian Tradition were Chartered on 7 April Year 2 Aquarius. These were the LaVeda Witan Shrine in Australia, the Crystalline Star Witan Shrine in Ohio, US, and the Phoenix Rising Witan Shrine in Canada. Of these the Crystalline Star Witan Shrine went on to full Temple status, being thus proclaimed by the Chancellor on 30 March, Year 3 Aquarius.
Below follows a list of current Witan Shrines in the Tradition.
Spiritualis Compassare, Witan Shrine
Texas, USA
Recognition: 28 May, year 9 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. David Sparks
Under the imperium of Rev. Moonwitch HPS
Texas, USA
Recognition: 28 May, year 9 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. David Sparks
Under the imperium of Rev. Moonwitch HPS
Spiritual Manifestation, Witan Shrine
Lehigh Valley, PA, USA
Recognition: 3 August, year 9 Aquarius
Shrine Head: Rev. Diane Lavendoski HP
To learn more about Spiritual Manifestation Shrine, go HERE
Lehigh Valley, PA, USA
Recognition: 3 August, year 9 Aquarius
Shrine Head: Rev. Diane Lavendoski HP
To learn more about Spiritual Manifestation Shrine, go HERE
Shrine of the Universal Dance, Witan Shrine
Connecticut, USA
Recognition: 30 September, year 9 Aquarius
Shrine Headr: Rev. Karen Silva HP
Connecticut, USA
Recognition: 30 September, year 9 Aquarius
Shrine Headr: Rev. Karen Silva HP
Twilight's Ember, Witan Shrine
Recognition: 8 June, year 10 Aquarius
1 October, year 6 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Amanda Watson (Willow Gypsy)
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
To learn more about Twilight's Ember, go HERE
Recognition: 8 June, year 10 Aquarius
1 October, year 6 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Amanda Watson (Willow Gypsy)
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
To learn more about Twilight's Ember, go HERE
Our Lady of the Moon, Witan Shrine
Nebraska, USA
Recognition: 9 June year 10 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Julie Roberts (Rhiannon)
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Anna Rowe CCE
To learn more about Our Lady of the Moon, go HERE
Nebraska, USA
Recognition: 9 June year 10 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Julie Roberts (Rhiannon)
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Anna Rowe CCE
To learn more about Our Lady of the Moon, go HERE
Moondragon's Lair, Witan Shrine
Jeffreys Bay, S. Africa
Recognition: 12 January, year 11 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Gitta Seyfert
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Raene Packery CCE
To learn more about Moondragon's Lair, go HERE
Jeffreys Bay, S. Africa
Recognition: 12 January, year 11 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Gitta Seyfert
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Raene Packery CCE
To learn more about Moondragon's Lair, go HERE
The Circle of the Mountain Fire, Witan Shrine
Colorado, USA
Recognition: 11 March, year 11 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. William Halstead (Megus Tu)
Under the imperium of Rev. Ing Witch HP
To learn more about The Circle of the Mountain Fire, go HERE
Colorado, USA
Recognition: 11 March, year 11 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. William Halstead (Megus Tu)
Under the imperium of Rev. Ing Witch HP
To learn more about The Circle of the Mountain Fire, go HERE
Garden and Hearth Temple, Witan Shrine
Oklahoma, USA
Recognition: 12 July, year 11 Aquarius
Shrine Head: Rev. Betty Redding HP (Epona Dreamstar)
To learn more about Garden and Hearth, go HERE
Oklahoma, USA
Recognition: 12 July, year 11 Aquarius
Shrine Head: Rev. Betty Redding HP (Epona Dreamstar)
To learn more about Garden and Hearth, go HERE
Shrine of the White Rose, Witan Shrine
South Dakota, USA
Currently on Closed Court status
Recognition: 14 July, year 11 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Phil Hoyt
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Anna Rowe CCE
To learn more about White Rose Shrine, go HERE
South Dakota, USA
Currently on Closed Court status
Recognition: 14 July, year 11 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Phil Hoyt
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Anna Rowe CCE
To learn more about White Rose Shrine, go HERE
Lyr's Children, Witan Shrine
Florida, USA
Recognition: April 13, year 12 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Angela Grimes
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
To learn more about Lyre's Children, go HERE
Florida, USA
Recognition: April 13, year 12 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Angela Grimes
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
To learn more about Lyre's Children, go HERE
The Circle of the Sacred Drum, Witan Shrine
Georgia, USA
Recognition: 30 July, year 12 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. David R. Cobb
Under the imperium of Rev. Bruce Richards HP
Accepting local and distance membership for Gwinnett County, Georgia.
To learn more about the Circle of the Sacred Drum Witan Shrine, go HERE
Georgia, USA
Recognition: 30 July, year 12 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. David R. Cobb
Under the imperium of Rev. Bruce Richards HP
Accepting local and distance membership for Gwinnett County, Georgia.
To learn more about the Circle of the Sacred Drum Witan Shrine, go HERE
The Open Eye, Witan Shrine
Oregon, USA
Recognition: 2 September, year 12 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Aurora K Star (Jessamina Chayphoree)
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Anna Rowe CCE
Oregon, USA
Recognition: 2 September, year 12 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Aurora K Star (Jessamina Chayphoree)
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Anna Rowe CCE
Tree of Life, Witan Shrine
Spain
Recognition: 24 October, Year 12 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Owen Torwell
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
Spain
Recognition: 24 October, Year 12 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Owen Torwell
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
Hermetic Shrine of Universal Harmony, Witan Shrine
Mallorca, Spain
Recognition: 5 November, Year 12 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Manu Belman (Estarlec)
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
To learn more about the Hermetic Shrine of Universal Harmony, go HERE
Mallorca, Spain
Recognition: 5 November, Year 12 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Manu Belman (Estarlec)
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
To learn more about the Hermetic Shrine of Universal Harmony, go HERE
Mystic Woods, Witan Shrine
Tennessee, USA
Recognition 15 November, Year 12 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. David McDonald
Under the imperium of Rev. Bruce Richards HP
To learn more about Mystic Woods, go HERE
Tennessee, USA
Recognition 15 November, Year 12 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. David McDonald
Under the imperium of Rev. Bruce Richards HP
To learn more about Mystic Woods, go HERE
Sacred Priesthood, Witan Shrine
South Carolina, USA
Recognition 30 January, Year 13 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Jason Mills
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
To learn more about Sacred Priesthood, go HERE
South Carolina, USA
Recognition 30 January, Year 13 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Jason Mills
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
To learn more about Sacred Priesthood, go HERE
Circle of Illumination, Witan Shrine
MO, USA
Charter: 1 October, year 13 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Jeffery Boyd
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
To learn more about Circle of Illumination, go HERE
MO, USA
Charter: 1 October, year 13 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Jeffery Boyd
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
To learn more about Circle of Illumination, go HERE
The Sacred Song, Witan Shrine
Ontario, Canada
Charter: 18 October, year 13 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Terrie Brookins
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
Ontario, Canada
Charter: 18 October, year 13 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Terrie Brookins
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
Sacred Realm of Aine, Witan Shrine
MO,USA
Charter: 7 March, year 14 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Christine Higginbotham
Under the imperium of Rev. Sande Smith
MO,USA
Charter: 7 March, year 14 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Christine Higginbotham
Under the imperium of Rev. Sande Smith
Shrine of Hekate USA, Witan Shrine
KY, USA
Charter: 11 May, year 14 Aquarius
Shrne Keeper: Rev. Liudmila Abbott
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
KY, USA
Charter: 11 May, year 14 Aquarius
Shrne Keeper: Rev. Liudmila Abbott
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
Shrine of the Monsoon, Witan Shrine
AZ, USA
Charter: 1 July, year 14 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Christina Mazer
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
AZ, USA
Charter: 1 July, year 14 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Christina Mazer
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
Temple of the Wise, Witan Shrine
OH, USA
Charter: 8 July, year 14 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev Varina Kay Furguson
Under the imperium of Rev. Angela Munn
To learn more about the Shrine of the Wise, go HERE
OH, USA
Charter: 8 July, year 14 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev Varina Kay Furguson
Under the imperium of Rev. Angela Munn
To learn more about the Shrine of the Wise, go HERE
Circle of the Lady of Crows, Witan Shrine
VA, USA
Charter: 1 October, year 14 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Jennifer Witt
To learn more about the Circle of the Lady of Crows, go HERE
VA, USA
Charter: 1 October, year 14 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Jennifer Witt
To learn more about the Circle of the Lady of Crows, go HERE
Hécate Triformis, Witan Shrine
Santo Domingo, Republica Dominicana
Charter: 23 November, year 14 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Revda. Danea Palas
Co-Keeper: Revda Heleia Green Art
Under the imperium of Rev. Ayra Alseret
To learn more about Hecate Triformis, go HERE
Santo Domingo, Republica Dominicana
Charter: 23 November, year 14 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Revda. Danea Palas
Co-Keeper: Revda Heleia Green Art
Under the imperium of Rev. Ayra Alseret
To learn more about Hecate Triformis, go HERE
Arcadian, Witan Shrine
LA, USA
Charter: 15 December, year 14 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Angela Firmin
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
To learn more about Arcadian, go HERE
LA, USA
Charter: 15 December, year 14 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Angela Firmin
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
To learn more about Arcadian, go HERE
The Garden of the Crescent Moon, Witan Shrine
MT, USA
Charter: 18 April, year 15 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Gwen Gardner
Under the imperium of Rev. Sande Smith
To learn more about The Garden of the Crescent Moon, go HERE
MT, USA
Charter: 18 April, year 15 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Gwen Gardner
Under the imperium of Rev. Sande Smith
To learn more about The Garden of the Crescent Moon, go HERE
Ravens of the New Dawn, Witan Shrine
Alaska, USA
Charter: 21 May, year 15 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Sage
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Anna Rowe
To learn more about Ravens of the New Dawn, go HERE
Alaska, USA
Charter: 21 May, year 15 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Sage
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Anna Rowe
To learn more about Ravens of the New Dawn, go HERE
Santuario de Diana, Witan Shrine
Seville, Spain
Charter: 4 November, year 15 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Zaida María Fernández González
Under the imperium of Rev. Ayra Alseret
To learn more about Santuario de Diana, go HERE
Seville, Spain
Charter: 4 November, year 15 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Zaida María Fernández González
Under the imperium of Rev. Ayra Alseret
To learn more about Santuario de Diana, go HERE
Mystic Labyrinth, Witan Shrine
BC, Canada
Charter: 19 November, year 15 Aquarius
Shrine Head: Rev. Petra Brunnbauer HP
Under her own imperium
To learn more about Mystic Labyrinth, go HERE
BC, Canada
Charter: 19 November, year 15 Aquarius
Shrine Head: Rev. Petra Brunnbauer HP
Under her own imperium
To learn more about Mystic Labyrinth, go HERE
Lux Granadina, Witan Shrine
Granada, Spain
Charter: 11 December 2015
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Luis Alvarez
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Anna Rowe
To learn more about Lux Granadina, go HERE
Granada, Spain
Charter: 11 December 2015
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Luis Alvarez
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Anna Rowe
To learn more about Lux Granadina, go HERE
Our Lady of the Healing Fields, Witan Shrine
MI, USA
Charter: 5 January, year 16 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Stacey Ann Blair
Under the imperium of Rev. Angela Munn
To learn more about Our lady of the Healing Fields, go HERE
MI, USA
Charter: 5 January, year 16 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Stacey Ann Blair
Under the imperium of Rev. Angela Munn
To learn more about Our lady of the Healing Fields, go HERE
Vivência Pagã Brasil (Pagan Living Brazil), Witan Shrine
Brazil
Distance Shrine of the Temple of Sedna UK
Charter: 25 October, year 16 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Morghanna Silkmoon
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Anna Rowe
To learn more about Pagan Living Brazil, go HERE
Brazil
Distance Shrine of the Temple of Sedna UK
Charter: 25 October, year 16 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Morghanna Silkmoon
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Anna Rowe
To learn more about Pagan Living Brazil, go HERE
Eternal Circles, Witan Shrine
IL, USA
Charter: 24 April, year 17 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Rebecca Waldron
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Anna Rowe
IL, USA
Charter: 24 April, year 17 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Rebecca Waldron
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Anna Rowe
Santuario de Afrodita, Witan Shrine
Madrid, Spain
Charter: 27 June, year 17 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rvd. Tiné Estrella de la Tarde
Under the imperium of Rev. Ayra Alseret
To learn more about Ardodita go HERE
Madrid, Spain
Charter: 27 June, year 17 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rvd. Tiné Estrella de la Tarde
Under the imperium of Rev. Ayra Alseret
To learn more about Ardodita go HERE
Senora La Muerte, Witan Shrine
Tijuanna, Mexico
Charter: 26 July, year 17 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Mergin Sergio Navarro
Under the imperium of Rev. Ayra Alseret
Tijuanna, Mexico
Charter: 26 July, year 17 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Mergin Sergio Navarro
Under the imperium of Rev. Ayra Alseret
Santuario del Cuervo, Witan Shrine
Pamplona, Spain
Charter: 2 February, year 18 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Runafuego Krahe
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
To learn more about Santuario del Cuervo go HERE
Pamplona, Spain
Charter: 2 February, year 18 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Runafuego Krahe
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
To learn more about Santuario del Cuervo go HERE
Templo Tierra de Gracia, Witan Shrine
Caracas, Venezuela
Charter: 17 February, year 18 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Hazsoly Bellatrix De Fira
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Eblis Pendragon
Caracas, Venezuela
Charter: 17 February, year 18 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Hazsoly Bellatrix De Fira
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Eblis Pendragon
Santuario de la Anciana Luna, Witan Shrine
Geneve, Switzerland
Charter: 6 April, year 18 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Irbis Guerrero
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Eblis Pendragon
To learn more about Santuario del la Anciana Luna go HERE
Geneve, Switzerland
Charter: 6 April, year 18 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Irbis Guerrero
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Eblis Pendragon
To learn more about Santuario del la Anciana Luna go HERE
Temple de Maia de Gaia, Witan Shrine
OH, USA
Charter: 6 May, year 18 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Rikki Leigh Weber
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
OH, USA
Charter: 6 May, year 18 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Rikki Leigh Weber
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
Escrabajo Sagrado, Witan Shrine
Buenos Aires, Argentina
Charter: 17 May, year 18 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Osiris Bathory
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Eblis Pendragon
Buenos Aires, Argentina
Charter: 17 May, year 18 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Osiris Bathory
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Eblis Pendragon
The Grove of the Forest Druid, Witan Shrine
VA, USA
Charter: 20 May, year 18 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. David Smith Murphy
Under the imperium of M Rev. Don Lewis
To learn more about The Grove of the Forest Druid go HERE
VA, USA
Charter: 20 May, year 18 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. David Smith Murphy
Under the imperium of M Rev. Don Lewis
To learn more about The Grove of the Forest Druid go HERE
Santuario de la Diosa Luna, Witan Shrine
Asunción, Paraguay
Charter: 16 June year 18 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Susana Beatriz Sciscioli
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Ayra Alseret
Asunción, Paraguay
Charter: 16 June year 18 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Susana Beatriz Sciscioli
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Ayra Alseret
Magickal Enlightenment, Witan Shrine
NC, USA
Charter: 18 June year 18 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Shelley Holland
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
NC, USA
Charter: 18 June year 18 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Shelley Holland
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Don Lewis
Black Mirror, Witan Shrine
Hidalgo, Mexico
Charter: 1 August year 18 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Marvin Hafid Meneses Lavalley
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Ayra Alseret
Hidalgo, Mexico
Charter: 1 August year 18 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Marvin Hafid Meneses Lavalley
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Ayra Alseret
Celtic Crow, Witan Shrine
Dallas, USA
Charter: 4 January year 19 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Jared Houston Crow
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Stephanie Neal
To learn more about Celtic Crow go HERE
Dallas, USA
Charter: 4 January year 19 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Jared Houston Crow
Under the imperium of M. Rev. Stephanie Neal
To learn more about Celtic Crow go HERE
Shrine of the Mountain Dragon, Witan Shrine
CT, USA
Charter: 24 March year 19 Aquarius
Shrine Head: Rev. Joan Gothberg Zakrzewski HPs
Under her own imperium
CT, USA
Charter: 24 March year 19 Aquarius
Shrine Head: Rev. Joan Gothberg Zakrzewski HPs
Under her own imperium
Spiritual Wolf, Witan Shrine
TX, USA
Charter: 27 March year 19 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Ed Carr Jr.
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Angela Munn AP
TX, USA
Charter: 27 March year 19 Aquarius
Shrine Keeper: Rev. Ed Carr Jr.
Under the imperium of Rt. Rev. Angela Munn AP
Vexna-Kari Karpathia, Witan Shrine
MI, USA
Charter: 25 April year 19 Aquarius
Shrine Head: Rev. Imdigo HP
Under his own imperium
To learn more about Vexna-Kari Karpathia go HERE
MI, USA
Charter: 25 April year 19 Aquarius
Shrine Head: Rev. Imdigo HP
Under his own imperium
To learn more about Vexna-Kari Karpathia go HERE